[PAO] National Board

Mon Jul 21 06:57:13 CDT 2014

There used to be USAF airlift to the NB. Too bad we can't make those arrangements anymore, but budgets are what they are now.

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> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:59, "Tom Cooper" <flyerthom at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One travel consideration is ease.  Can people get there direct or with few connections.
> Tom Cooper
>  
> From: D Miller
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:39 AM
> To: CAP Public Affairs Officers
> Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board
>  
> A few years back, the National Conference was held in Louisville, Kentucky, a smaller city.  Was also more centrally located so many members were able to drive.
>  
> What did everyone think about that venue?
>  
> DAVID A. MILLER, Lt Col, CAP
> Deputy Director of Public Affairs, MOWG
> dtamnet at gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM, lockit3 <lockit3 at att.net> wrote:
>> Thank you Lt. Col. Copenhaver for bringing this subject up.
>> 
>> The fact of the matter is, that even if these rates are not "terribly out of
>> line" for a conference this size, it is still unaffordable for many of our
>> members, me included. If we pay for the meeting hall and any peripheral
>> rooms needed for the breakout sessions, or whatever we are calling them this
>> conference and the hotel knows it has "X" amount of rooms guaranteed,
>> concessions should be able to be reached on the room rate for members. If
>> the facility will not make such concessions because it is Las Vegas and they
>> will get that rate from someone then let them get it from someone else. We
>> do not have to conference in Las Vegas.
>> 
>> First of all, it has been my experience that if you have time to go to the
>> activities that are available outside of the conference, you are not
>> attending the conference. My answer that would be take a vacation. While
>> other cities may not have the outside venues, they could handle the size of
>> our event and perhaps for a lesser price. I have concerns about meeting
>> somewhere like Vegas anyway. As concerned as we are about the image of Civil
>> Air Patrol and the image that casts on the Air Force, is this really a good
>> idea.
>> 
>> If we save on the price of the hall and classrooms, then maybe our fee could
>> at least cover the banquet and everyone could attend. A Spaatz cadet from
>> our Wing is National Cadet of the Year and most of our Wing members will not
>> see him receive the award because we cannot afford the conference let alone
>> an additional fee for a banquet that should be included.
>> 
>> I did not intend this to sound like a gripe session, but sometimes I think
>> in an effort to look like an organization of high prestige, we forget that
>> our members are volunteers, mostly of middle America. We need to get back to
>> servicing the needs of the members who service the needs of our country.
>> 
>> With respect,
>> 
>> 
>> Curtis "Wayne" Hooks 1st Lt.
>> Civil Air Patrol
>> FLWG Online Newsfeed Manager
>> Group 1 Public Affairs Officer
>> Group 1 Recruitment and Retention Officer
>> Tallahassee Composite Squadron
>> Ser FL-432
>> Public Affairs Officer
>> Recruitment and Retention Officer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org
>> [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Wm and
>> Kandyce Lewis
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:31 PM
>> To: 'CAP Public Affairs Officers'
>> Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board
>> 
>> I have done conferences for our wing and I don't have prices like that.  You
>> can get hotels to not charge for the the rooms if you agree to so many rooms
>> being rented by members, and guaranteeing so much in other costs.  I know as
>> I have done that in the past.  You just keep telling them you need a less
>> amount.  I didn't check the cost of the dinner but I thought $70 last year
>> was out of line for our members.  And having gone many others must have felt
>> so as well as there were lots of members eating at other places during the
>> banquet as I saw them out and about.  I realize we have more guest we may
>> pay for national conferences but it can't be that much more.  I suspect less
>> and less members are going to national boards.
>> 
>> And yes as members get closer to retirement they are looking at those costs.
>> 
>> Kandyce Lewis, Lt Col.
>> WA Wing Staff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org
>> [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Doug Barth
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:50 AM
>> To: 'CAP Public Affairs Officers'
>> Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board
>> 
>> I totally agree with Lt Col Copenhaver,
>> 
>> In particular, as I move toward retirement and have more time to commit to
>> my volunteer activities, I also am very cost sensitive.
>> 
>> While I understand and encourage the value of face-to-face conferences, I
>> think we should look more extensively into webinar/webex events, both to
>> reduce cost to the membership and to increase the availability of these
>> types of topics across CAP.  Or perhaps video tape the presentations and
>> post them to CAP website.  I am not aware that we do that.
>> 
>> 
>> Major Doug Barth, CAP
>> Group II
>> MDWG
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org
>> [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Karen
>> Copenhaver
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:44 AM
>> To: cap-pao at lists.sempervigilans.org
>> Subject: [PAO] National Board
>> 
>> Dear Fellow PAOs,
>> 
>> As we continue our volunteer commitment to an outstanding organization, we
>> gladly donate our resources to train and participate.  Across the years, we
>> have attended conferences for our wing, region and our national board, and
>> the cost has slowly increased, mainly because of the economic posture of the
>> time. However, after reviewing the current cost associated with our national
>> board, personally I am voicing a concern of how many members can afford this
>> astronomical cost.  Registration - $205 per person plus room of more than
>> $100+ per night (don't forget tax and tax); (plus the extra days lodging for
>> a total of 5 nights if you stay for the entire event) then if you plan on
>> attending our PAO Academy it is $45,  and if you want to attend the FEMA
>> course it is $20, then Incorporating the Medal of Honor Character
>> Development Program into Character Development for $20 and Grant Writing for
>> $10.  We can easily add these costs to be exorbitant for many.  I've
>> attended many National Board Conferences, but never experienced such fees,
>> and would like to know what the "registration" is suppose to cover, if not
>> the work labs, and associated hand-outs.
>> 
>> I would like to see a more reasonable cost for our National Board
>> Conferences in the future.  We do not necessarily need a place like Las
>> Vegas, Washington or Atlanta, or the like, as we do not have the numbers  of
>> attendees to support that type of location as we once did
>> with totals of upward of 2,000+ attendees.    We have some locations
>> that could support the size of our event, with less expense to our members,
>> such as Charlotte, NC,  and communities of that size across our country.
>> Our overall cost has escalated to a level whereby one must truly set aside
>> additional funds up to more than $1,000 to attend, and that does not include
>> airline tickets, which are escalating too.  I don't know how many of you
>> join me in these sentiments, but we need a more economical platform for our
>> national board conferences.
>> 
>> One other comment, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-military speaker like
>> Bill Cosby to entertain and inspire us to continue our service?  As a
>> volunteer organization, who gladly gives and gives so much to our
>> communities and nation, I would hope that an individual like this would not
>> charge, but to have airfare and other related costs (room and meals) to be
>> covered to get him/her to be our speaker.
>> 
>> Realizing our organizational funds are somewhat limited and reduced greatly
>> across the board, we could certainly reduce our cost by holding our national
>> conference in a less costly location, and it would increase the numbers who
>> can afford to attend.  It indeed is a great experience that everyone should
>> have the opportunity to attend.  The labs, breakout sessions, or
>> workshops... what ever they are called, are always phenomenal.  The
>> opportunity to network with your fellow members and national staff  is
>> something that you will always remember as you also establish a contact and
>> many times lasting friendships.  If you can.....
>> please attend as it is an experience that you'll want again and again.
>> 
>> Thank you for your commitment and dedication to one of the best
>> organizations of which you could ever be a part.
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> Karen L. Copenhaver, Lt Col, CAP
>> Deputy Director, Public Affairs
>> MER
>> 
>> 
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