<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>There used to be USAF airlift to the NB. Too bad we can't make those arrangements anymore, but budgets are what they are now.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone via AT&T<div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">This message is confidential and intended only for the addressed recipients. Do not forward without permission from the sender (me).</span></div></div><div><br>On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:59, "Tom Cooper" <<a href="mailto:flyerthom@gmail.com">flyerthom@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>One travel consideration is ease. Can people get there direct or with
few connections. </div>
<div>Tom Cooper</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">
<div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="dtamnet@gmail.com" href="mailto:dtamnet@gmail.com">D Miller</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:39 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org" href="mailto:cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP Public Affairs Officers</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PAO] National Board</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>A few years back, the National Conference was held in Louisville, Kentucky,
a smaller city. Was also more centrally located so many members were able
to drive.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What did everyone think about that venue?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>DAVID A. MILLER, Lt Col, CAP</div>
<div>Deputy Director of Public Affairs, MOWG</div>
<div><a href="mailto:dtamnet@gmail.com">dtamnet@gmail.com</a></div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM, lockit3 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lockit3@att.net" target="_blank">lockit3@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Thank
you Lt. Col. Copenhaver for bringing this subject up.<br><br>The fact of the
matter is, that even if these rates are not "terribly out of<br>line" for a
conference this size, it is still unaffordable for many of our<br>members, me
included. If we pay for the meeting hall and any peripheral<br>rooms needed
for the breakout sessions, or whatever we are calling them this<br>conference
and the hotel knows it has "X" amount of rooms guaranteed,<br>concessions
should be able to be reached on the room rate for members. If<br>the facility
will not make such concessions because it is Las Vegas and they<br>will get
that rate from someone then let them get it from someone else. We<br>do not
have to conference in Las Vegas.<br><br>First of all, it has been my
experience that if you have time to go to the<br>activities that are available
outside of the conference, you are not<br>attending the conference. My answer
that would be take a vacation. While<br>other cities may not have the outside
venues, they could handle the size of<br>our event and perhaps for a lesser
price. I have concerns about meeting<br>somewhere like Vegas anyway. As
concerned as we are about the image of Civil<br>Air Patrol and the image that
casts on the Air Force, is this really a good<br>idea.<br><br>If we save on
the price of the hall and classrooms, then maybe our fee could<br>at least
cover the banquet and everyone could attend. A Spaatz cadet from<br>our Wing
is National Cadet of the Year and most of our Wing members will not<br>see him
receive the award because we cannot afford the conference let alone<br>an
additional fee for a banquet that should be included.<br><br>I did not intend
this to sound like a gripe session, but sometimes I think<br>in an effort to
look like an organization of high prestige, we forget that<br>our members are
volunteers, mostly of middle America. We need to get back to<br>servicing the
needs of the members who service the needs of our country.<br><br>With
respect,<br><br><br>Curtis "Wayne" Hooks 1st Lt.<br>Civil Air Patrol<br>FLWG
Online Newsfeed Manager<br>Group 1 Public Affairs Officer<br>Group 1
Recruitment and Retention Officer<br>Tallahassee Composite Squadron<br>Ser
FL-432<br>Public Affairs Officer<br>Recruitment and Retention Officer<br>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Wm and<br>Kandyce Lewis<br>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:31
PM<br>To: 'CAP Public Affairs Officers'<br>Subject: Re: [PAO] National
Board<br><br>I have done conferences for our wing and I don't have prices like
that. You<br>can get hotels to not charge for the the rooms if you agree
to so many rooms<br>being rented by members, and guaranteeing so much in other
costs. I know as<br>I have done that in the past. You just keep
telling them you need a less<br>amount. I didn't check the cost of the
dinner but I thought $70 last year<br>was out of line for our members.
And having gone many others must have felt<br>so as well as there were lots of
members eating at other places during the<br>banquet as I saw them out and
about. I realize we have more guest we may<br>pay for national
conferences but it can't be that much more. I suspect less<br>and less
members are going to national boards.<br><br>And yes as members get closer to
retirement they are looking at those costs.<br><br>Kandyce Lewis, Lt
Col.<br>WA Wing Staff<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Doug Barth<br>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:50 AM<br>To: 'CAP
Public Affairs Officers'<br>Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board<br><br>I totally
agree with Lt Col Copenhaver,<br><br>In particular, as I move toward
retirement and have more time to commit to<br>my volunteer activities, I also
am very cost sensitive.<br><br>While I understand and encourage the value of
face-to-face conferences, I<br>think we should look more extensively into
webinar/webex events, both to<br>reduce cost to the membership and to increase
the availability of these<br>types of topics across CAP. Or perhaps
video tape the presentations and<br>post them to CAP website. I am not
aware that we do that.<br><br><br>Major Doug Barth, CAP<br>Group
II<br>MDWG<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Karen<br>Copenhaver<br>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:44
AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br>Subject:
[PAO] National Board<br><br>Dear Fellow PAOs,<br><br>As we continue our
volunteer commitment to an outstanding organization, we<br>gladly donate our
resources to train and participate. Across the years, we<br>have
attended conferences for our wing, region and our national board, and<br>the
cost has slowly increased, mainly because of the economic posture of
the<br>time. However, after reviewing the current cost associated with our
national<br>board, personally I am voicing a concern of how many members can
afford this<br>astronomical cost. Registration - $205 per person plus
room of more than<br>$100+ per night (don't forget tax and tax); (plus the
extra days lodging for<br>a total of 5 nights if you stay for the entire
event) then if you plan on<br>attending our PAO Academy it is $45, and
if you want to attend the FEMA<br>course it is $20, then Incorporating the
Medal of Honor Character<br>Development Program into Character Development for
$20 and Grant Writing for<br>$10. We can easily add these costs to be
exorbitant for many. I've<br>attended many National Board Conferences,
but never experienced such fees,<br>and would like to know what the
"registration" is suppose to cover, if not<br>the work labs, and associated
hand-outs.<br><br>I would like to see a more reasonable cost for our National
Board<br>Conferences in the future. We do not necessarily need a place
like Las<br>Vegas, Washington or Atlanta, or the like, as we do not have the
numbers of<br>attendees to support that type of location as we once
did<br>with totals of upward of 2,000+ attendees. We have
some locations<br>that could support the size of our event, with less expense
to our members,<br>such as Charlotte, NC, and communities of that size
across our country.<br>Our overall cost has escalated to a level whereby one
must truly set aside<br>additional funds up to more than $1,000 to attend, and
that does not include<br>airline tickets, which are escalating too. I
don't know how many of you<br>join me in these sentiments, but we need a more
economical platform for our<br>national board conferences.<br><br>One other
comment, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-military speaker like<br>Bill Cosby
to entertain and inspire us to continue our service? As a<br>volunteer
organization, who gladly gives and gives so much to our<br>communities and
nation, I would hope that an individual like this would not<br>charge, but to
have airfare and other related costs (room and meals) to be<br>covered to get
him/her to be our speaker.<br><br>Realizing our organizational funds are
somewhat limited and reduced greatly<br>across the board, we could certainly
reduce our cost by holding our national<br>conference in a less costly
location, and it would increase the numbers who<br>can afford to attend.
It indeed is a great experience that everyone should<br>have the opportunity
to attend. The labs, breakout sessions, or<br>workshops... what ever
they are called, are always phenomenal. The<br>opportunity to network
with your fellow members and national staff is<br>something that you
will always remember as you also establish a contact and<br>many times lasting
friendships. If you can.....<br>please attend as it is an experience
that you'll want again and again.<br><br>Thank you for your commitment and
dedication to one of the best<br>organizations of which you could ever be a
part.<br><br>Respectfully,<br>Karen L. Copenhaver, Lt Col, CAP<br>Deputy
Director, Public
Affairs<br>MER<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Subscribed
Email Address: <a href="mailto:barth7394@comcast.net">barth7394@comcast.net</a> CAP-PAO mailing
list<br><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao" target="_blank">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Subscribed
Email Address: <a href="mailto:bklewis425@msn.com">bklewis425@msn.com</a>
CAP-PAO mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao" target="_blank">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a><br>_______________________________________________<br></div></div>Subscribed
Email Address: <a href="mailto:lockit3@att.net">lockit3@att.net</a> CAP-PAO
mailing list<br>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao" target="_blank">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Subscribed
Email Address: <a href="mailto:dtamnet@gmail.com">dtamnet@gmail.com</a><br>CAP-PAO mailing
list<br><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao" target="_blank">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
<div> </div></div>
<p>
</p><hr>
_______________________________________________<br>Subscribed Email Address:
<a href="mailto:flyerthom@gmail.com">flyerthom@gmail.com</a><br>CAP-PAO mailing
list<br><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a><br></div></div></div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Subscribed Email Address: <a href="mailto:djessmer@cap.gov">djessmer@cap.gov</a></span><br><span>CAP-PAO mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org">CAP-PAO@lists.sempervigilans.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao">http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>