From paa.sdwg at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 19:15:51 2014 From: paa.sdwg at gmail.com (Bruce Kipp) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:15:51 -0500 Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level Message-ID: I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. I wold like to hear your comments. ^ *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* *Public Affairs Officer* *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* *605-261-4507 * *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com * *Website: www.sdcap.us * *[image: Twitter]* *[image: facebook]**[image: Flickr]* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My original title was director of public affairs at the wing, but we mutually changed it to just wing public affairs officer when I was also an employee of CAP so there wouldn't be any implied leadership position. With either title, I did the same job. Lt Col Paul Cianciolo, NATCAPWG/PA On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Bruce Kipp wrote: > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being > used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. > In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically > if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for > parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > ^ > *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* > > *Public Affairs Officer* > > *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* > > *605-261-4507 * > > *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com > * > > *Website: www.sdcap.us * > > *[image: Twitter]* *[image: facebook]**[image: > Flickr]* > -- v/r -- *PAUL S. CIANCIOLO, Lt Col, CAPPublic Affairs OfficerNational Capital Wing* Cell: 301-751-2011 Work: 202-385-9599 (@FAA) -- ------------------------------ Civil Air Patrol National Capital Wing *"Citizens Serving Communities: Above and Beyond"* CFC Charity #26757 www.NatCapWing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Annette Carlson, Lt Col, CAP Wing Public Affairs & Information Officer (PAO/PIO) Wing Director, Professional Development (DPD) Civil Air Patrol Pennsylvania Wing P: 412-731-4547 C: 215-262-9888 E: pao at pawg.cap.gov E: pdo at pawg.cap.gov www.pawg.cap.gov www.GoCivilAirPatrol.com *CIVIL AIR PATROL Pennsylvania -- Mission 4: Excellence! -* On Thursday, April 24, 2014, > wrote: > Send CAP-PAO mailing list submissions to > cap-pao at lists.sempervigilans.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cap-pao-request at lists.sempervigilans.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cap-pao-owner at lists.sempervigilans.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CAP-PAO digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level (Bruce Kipp) > 2. Re: Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > (Cianciolo, Lt Col, Paul) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:15:51 -0500 > From: Bruce Kipp > To: CAP-PAO > Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > Message-ID: > < > CAFohmLsd6RDVsms-hEo70mdE1OfEwCV5EFhyJiUsMGSzn2+vvw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being > used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. > In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically if > other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for parity > at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > ^ > *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* > > *Public Affairs Officer* > > *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* > > *605-261-4507 * > > *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com * > > *Website: www.sdcap.us * > > *[image: Twitter]* *[image: > facebook]**[image: > Flickr]* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/pipermail/cap-pao/attachments/20140424/fac9740f/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image009.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1053 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/pipermail/cap-pao/attachments/20140424/fac9740f/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image007.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3194 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/pipermail/cap-pao/attachments/20140424/fac9740f/attachment-0002.png > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image008.png > Type: image/png > Size: 2920 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/pipermail/cap-pao/attachments/20140424/fac9740f/attachment-0003.png > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:17:44 -0400 > From: "Cianciolo, Lt Col, Paul" > To: CAP Public Affairs Officers > Subject: Re: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > Message-ID: > < > CAGhD5NV0So7F4j5ufYD0XxjjTO_pa4xtVwg-cHM5co9w-Ya6XQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't think it matters either way as long as you report directly to the > commander. My original title was director of public affairs at the wing, > but we mutually changed it to just wing public affairs officer when I was > also an employee of CAP so there wouldn't be any implied leadership > position. With either title, I did the same job. > > Lt Col Paul Cianciolo, NATCAPWG/PA > > On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Bruce Kipp wrote: > > > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being > > used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public > Affairs. > > In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically > > if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for > > parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > > > > ^ > > *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* > > > > *Public Affairs Officer* > > > > *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* > > > > *605-261-4507 * > > > > *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com > > * > > > > *Website: www.sdcap.us * > > > > *[image: Twitter]* *[image: facebook]*< > https://www.facebook.com/SDWingCAP>*[image: > > Flickr]* > > > > > -- > > v/r > -- > > > *PAUL S. 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Annette Thank YOU for all YOU do in CAP! Annette Carlson, Lt Col, CAP Wing Public Affairs & Information Officer (PAO/PIO) Wing Director, Professional Development (DPD) Civil Air Patrol Pennsylvania Wing P: 412-731-4547 C: 215-262-9888 E: pao at pawg.cap.gov E: pdo at pawg.cap.gov www.pawg.cap.gov www.GoCivilAirPatrol.com CIVIL AIR PATROL Pennsylvania - - Mission 4: Excellence! - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awoodgate at austin.rr.com Fri Apr 25 07:32:33 2014 From: awoodgate at austin.rr.com (Arthur Woodgate) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:32:33 -0500 Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <025901cf6082$6eedd8d0$4cc98a70$@austin.rr.com> This is governed by CAPR 20-1. Director of PA is allowed only for region. >From wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group PAO, Squadron PAO. There is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can expand the table of organization to make it more efficient” or words to that effect. This is meant in a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves taking on the title(s) of a higher HQ. Arthur ~ __________________________________ ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence Southwest Region Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" 512.432.0231 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) awoodgate at austin.rr.com LtColWoodgate at gmail.com From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Kipp Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM To: CAP-PAO Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. I wold like to hear your comments. ^ Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP Public Affairs Officer SD Wing Civil Air Patrol 605-261-4507 Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com Website: www.sdcap.us Twitter facebook Flickr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3194 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 2920 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1053 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djessmer at cap.gov Fri Apr 25 08:31:30 2014 From: djessmer at cap.gov (DOUGLAS E. JESSMER, Lt Col, CAP. CAP/PM) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:31:30 -0400 Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level In-Reply-To: <025901cf6082$6eedd8d0$4cc98a70$@austin.rr.com> References: <025901cf6082$6eedd8d0$4cc98a70$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <5AC8EA54-2B4E-4C48-AA2F-05D83EFDF4BC@cap.gov> When I was the Florida Wing PA, the title was director. And, to boot, I wasn't a direct report to the wing commander, but instead under two layers (a chief of staff and a deputy chief). Was it kosher with the 20-1? No... Lt Col Doug Jessmer, somewhere at NHQ Sent from my iPhone via AT&T This message is confidential and intended only for the addressed recipients. Do not forward without permission from the sender (me). > On Apr 25, 2014, at 8:32, "Arthur Woodgate" wrote: > > This is governed by CAPR 20-1. > > Director of PA is allowed only for region. > > From wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group PAO, Squadron PAO. > > There is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can expand the table of organization to make it more efficient” or words to that effect. This is meant in a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves taking on the title(s) of a higher HQ. > > Arthur ~ > __________________________________ > ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP > Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence > Southwest Region > Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" > 512.432.0231 > 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) > 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) > awoodgate at austin.rr.com > LtColWoodgate at gmail.com > > From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Kipp > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM > To: CAP-PAO > Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > ^ > Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP > Public Affairs Officer > SD Wing Civil Air Patrol > 605-261-4507 > Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com > Website: www.sdcap.us > > _______________________________________________ > Subscribed Email Address: djessmer at cap.gov > CAP-PAO mailing list > CAP-PAO at lists.sempervigilans.org > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pa at natcapwg.cap.gov Fri Apr 25 11:07:12 2014 From: pa at natcapwg.cap.gov (Lt Col Paul Cianciolo) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:07:12 -0400 Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level In-Reply-To: <025901cf6082$6eedd8d0$4cc98a70$@austin.rr.com> References: <025901cf6082$6eedd8d0$4cc98a70$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Sure, but CAPR 20-1 also "shows" that the PAO reports under the chief of staff on the org chart section whereas CAPR 190-1 and CAPR 20-1 "states" that the PAO report directly under the commander. Since within CAPR 20-1, there are two conflicting references to public affairs, one would assume that this reg only serves as a guide rather than setting everything in stone. Also, eServices let's a wing assign either a director or officer under PA, so that is another indicator that it is open to creative license. Paul v/r -- *PAUL S. CIANCIOLO, Lt Col, CAPPublic Affairs OfficerNational Capital Wing* Cell: 301-751-2011 Work: 202-385-9599 (@FAA) On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Arthur Woodgate wrote: > This is governed by CAPR 20-1. > > > > Director of PA is allowed only for region. > > > > From wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group PAO, Squadron > PAO. > > > > There is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can expand the table of > organization to make it more efficient” or words to that effect. This is > meant in a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves taking on the > title(s) of a higher HQ. > > > > Arthur ~ > > __________________________________ > > ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP > > Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence > > Southwest Region > > Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" > > 512.432.0231 > > 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) > > 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) > > awoodgate at austin.rr.com > > LtColWoodgate at gmail.com > > > > *From:* cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto: > cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Kipp > *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM > *To:* CAP-PAO > *Subject:* [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > > > > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being > used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. > In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically > if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for > parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > > > ^ > > *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* > > *Public Affairs Officer* > > *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* > > *605-261-4507 <605-261-4507>* > > *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com * > > *Website: www.sdcap.us * > > *[image: Twitter]* *[image: facebook]**[image: > Flickr]* > > _______________________________________________ > Subscribed Email Address: pa at natcapwg.cap.gov > CAP-PAO mailing list > CAP-PAO at lists.sempervigilans.org > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao > > -- ------------------------------ Civil Air Patrol National Capital Wing *"Citizens Serving Communities: Above and Beyond"* CFC Charity #26757 www.NatCapWing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Arthur ~ From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Lt Col Paul Cianciolo Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 AM To: CAP Public Affairs Officers Subject: Re: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level Sure, but CAPR 20-1 also "shows" that the PAO reports under the chief of staff on the org chart section whereas CAPR 190-1 and CAPR 20-1 "states" that the PAO report directly under the commander. Since within CAPR 20-1, there are two conflicting references to public affairs, one would assume that this reg only serves as a guide rather than setting everything in stone. Also, eServices let's a wing assign either a director or officer under PA, so that is another indicator that it is open to creative license. Paul v/r -- PAUL S. CIANCIOLO, Lt Col, CAP Public Affairs Officer National Capital Wing Cell: 301-751-2011 Work: 202-385-9599 (@FAA) On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Arthur Woodgate wrote: This is governed by CAPR 20-1. Director of PA is allowed only for region. >From wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group PAO, Squadron PAO. There is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can expand the table of organization to make it more efficient” or words to that effect. This is meant in a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves taking on the title(s) of a higher HQ. Arthur ~ __________________________________ ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence Southwest Region Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" 512.432.0231 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) awoodgate at austin.rr.com LtColWoodgate at gmail.com From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Kipp Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM To: CAP-PAO Subject: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. 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In case you were wondering, a unit policy is issued as an Operating Instruction. Lt Col Paul Cianciolo Sent from my Droid DNA On Apr 25, 2014 8:24 PM, "Blake Sasse" wrote: > Frankly, I have a hard time understanding why we are using terms like > "Director" at all in a paramilitary organizational chart, especially at the > Wing level. It seems to have been adopted for use at random for various > jobs that have vastly different scopes. I could sort of understand if > "Director" signified a position that actually supervised some other staff > officers, but that isn't always the case. Seems like almost every wing > staff officer in Arkansas is a Director. > Blake Sasse > > > On 4/25/2014 11:38 AM, Arthur Woodgate wrote: > > Paul, > > > > CAPR 20-1 was last updated Jan 2013. Since the DPA/PAO issue at the wing > level has been a fact for a number of years, I believe we can assume that NHQ > “prefers” PAO for wing, over the “obligatory” DPA for region. > > > > Arthur ~ > > > > *From:* cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [ > mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] > *On Behalf Of *Lt Col Paul Cianciolo > *Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 AM > *To:* CAP Public Affairs Officers > *Subject:* Re: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > > > > Sure, but CAPR 20-1 also "shows" that the PAO reports under the chief of > staff on the org chart section whereas CAPR 190-1 and CAPR 20-1 "states" > that the PAO report directly under the commander. Since within CAPR 20-1, > there are two conflicting references to public affairs, one would assume > that this reg only serves as a guide rather than setting everything in > stone. > > Also, eServices let's a wing assign either a director or officer under PA, > so that is another indicator that it is open to creative license. > > Paul > > > > v/r > -- > > > *PAUL S. CIANCIOLO, Lt Col, CAP Public Affairs Officer National Capital > Wing* > > Cell: 301-751-2011 > Work: 202-385-9599 (@FAA) > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Arthur Woodgate > wrote: > > This is governed by CAPR 20-1. > > > > Director of PA is allowed only for region. > > > > From wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group PAO, Squadron > PAO. > > > > There is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can expand the table of > organization to make it more efficient” or words to that effect. This is > meant in a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves taking on the > title(s) of a higher HQ. > > > > Arthur ~ > > __________________________________ > > ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP > > Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence > > Southwest Region > > Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" > > 512.432.0231 > > 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) > > 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) > > awoodgate at austin.rr.com > > LtColWoodgate at gmail.com > > > > *From:* cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto: > cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Kipp > *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM > *To:* CAP-PAO > *Subject:* [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at Wing Level > > > > I'm seeing increasing use of the title "Director of Public Affairs" being > used at the Wing level. In my former wing I was Director of Public Affairs. > In my current wing the CC doesn't like it so I am the PAO. > > > > Technically, that title is used at Region and higher. However, logically > if other wing staff officers are "Director of" then it follows that for > parity at the Wing level it should also be Director. > > > > I wold like to hear your comments. > > > > > ^ > > *Bruce Kipp, Major, CAP* > > *Public Affairs Officer* > > *SD Wing Civil Air Patrol* > > *605-261-4507 <605-261-4507>* > > *Email: paa.sdwg at gmail.com * > > *Website: www.sdcap.us * > > *[image: Twitter]* *[image: facebook]**[image: > Flickr]* > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscribed Email Address: pa at natcapwg.cap.gov > CAP-PAO mailing list > CAP-PAO at lists.sempervigilans.org > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > *Civil Air Patrol National Capital Wing **"Citizens Serving Communities: > Above and Beyond"* > > > *CFC Charity #26757 **www.NatCapWing.org* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscribed Email Address: bsasse at sbcglobal.net > CAP-PAO mailing listCAP-PAO at lists.sempervigilans.orghttp://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao > > > > _______________________________________________ > Subscribed Email Address: pa at natcapwg.cap.gov > CAP-PAO mailing list > CAP-PAO at lists.sempervigilans.org > http://lists.sempervigilans.org/mailman/listinfo/cap-pao > > -- ------------------------------ Civil Air Patrol National Capital Wing *"Citizens Serving Communities: Above and Beyond"* CFC Charity #26757 www.NatCapWing.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kathleen Cook, Director, Air Force Public Affairs. Regards, Arthur ~ __________________________________ ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence Southwest Region Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" 512.432.0231 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) awoodgate at austin.rr.com LtColWoodgate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomt at theppigroup.com Mon Apr 28 12:34:50 2014 From: tomt at theppigroup.com (Tom Traver) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:34:50 +0000 Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level In-Reply-To: <09a601cf6301$c13dbe80$43b93b80$@austin.rr.com> References: <09a601cf6301$c13dbe80$43b93b80$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: While we are on the subject, do you carry any kind of cleats that can be attached to the Cargo bay insert to use as tie downs? Tom From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Woodgate Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:49 AM To: cap-pao at lists.sempervigilans.org Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level Someone on this forum wondered where "Director of Public Affairs" came from. Thanks to a message I received from Lt. Col. Steven Solomon, I learned that it comes from the Air Force. Today, the top AF PA person is Col. Kathleen Cook, Director, Air Force Public Affairs. Regards, Arthur ~ __________________________________ ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence Southwest Region Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" 512.432.0231 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) awoodgate at austin.rr.com LtColWoodgate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomt at theppigroup.com Mon Apr 28 12:58:01 2014 From: tomt at theppigroup.com (Tom Traver) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:58:01 +0000 Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level In-Reply-To: References: <09a601cf6301$c13dbe80$43b93b80$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <76f0ec13db964c20bfe2268fec845084@PPIEXCH-01.PortlandPrecision.local> WRONG RESPONSE !! I hit the wrong key :( Tom From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Tom Traver Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:35 AM To: CAP Public Affairs Officers Subject: Re: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level While we are on the subject, do you carry any kind of cleats that can be attached to the Cargo bay insert to use as tie downs? Tom From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Woodgate Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:49 AM To: cap-pao at lists.sempervigilans.org Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level Someone on this forum wondered where "Director of Public Affairs" came from. Thanks to a message I received from Lt. Col. Steven Solomon, I learned that it comes from the Air Force. Today, the top AF PA person is Col. Kathleen Cook, Director, Air Force Public Affairs. Regards, Arthur ~ __________________________________ ARTHUR E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP Director of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational Excellence Southwest Region Civil Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities" 512.432.0231 512.547.6997 <<< VoIP (secondary) 512.567.1935 (cell - not always on) awoodgate at austin.rr.com LtColWoodgate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hragland at etex.net Mon Apr 28 13:45:54 2014 From: hragland at etex.net (Ragland Insurance) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:45:54 -0500 Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level In-Reply-To: <76f0ec13db964c20bfe2268fec845084@PPIEXCH-01.PortlandPrecision.local> References: <09a601cf6301$c13dbe80$43b93b80$@austin.rr.com> <76f0ec13db964c20bfe2268fec845084@PPIEXCH-01.PortlandPrecision.local> Message-ID: <000601cf6312$28470d60$78d52820$@net> I retired December 31, 2013. Thank you for your e-mail. Hugh Ragland From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Tom Traver Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:58 PM To: CAP Public Affairs Officers Subject: Re: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level WRONG RESPONSE !! I hit the wrong key L Tom From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Tom Traver Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:35 AM To: CAP Public Affairs Officers Subject: Re: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level While we are on the subject, do you carry any kind of cleats that can be attached to the Cargo bay insert to use as tie downs? Tom From: cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org [mailto:cap-pao-bounces at lists.sempervigilans.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Woodgate Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:49 AM To: cap-pao at lists.sempervigilans.org Subject: [PAO] About Director of Public Affairs at the wing level Someone on this forum wondered where "Director of Public Affairs" came from. Thanks to a message I received from Lt. Col. Steven Solomon, I learned that it comes from the Air Force. Today, the top AF PA person is Col. Kathleen Cook, Director, Air Force Public Affairs. 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