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<P>The comments about approaching retirement are true. I've been retired since 1999 and can't afford to go to the National Boards, or rather, I choose not to spend my resources on something so expensive.</P>
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<P>My father, a CAP member for years said once when the subject of the increasing costs of belonging, "The day I pay that kind of money, there will be a band on Cloud Nine, playing, "Who In The H**** Would Have Thought It!"</P>
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<P>Looking at the number of our fellow blue suiters who have left our ranks should cause some serious discussions about the costs to members. We now have less than half the members we had years ago. Before some gets their panties in a wad because I'm not exactly correct, in the last 59 years that I've been a member, I've seen the numbers drop, and the sad thing is that there is no way to do an exit interview as most members who leave just fold their tent and never tell anybody. They just don't renew, don't come to meetings, etc.</P>
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<P>That puts the decision makers in a quandary. </P>
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<P>Realizing how many people are gone should tell us that something is seriously wrong. </P>
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<P>The problem is above my pay grade.</P>
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<P>The Lt. said he didn't want to appear to be complaining, but maybe that is exactly what <U>is</U> needed.</P>
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<P>FWIW.</P>
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<P>David Moseley, Lt Colonel, CAP</P>
<P>Commander Emeritus, Lake Composite Squadron,</P>
<P>Leesburg, FL<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From: </B>"D Miller" <dtamnet@gmail.com><BR><B>To: </B>"CAP Public Affairs Officers" <cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:39:53 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [PAO] National Board<BR><BR>
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<DIV>A few years back, the National Conference was held in Louisville, Kentucky, a smaller city. Was also more centrally located so many members were able to drive.</DIV>
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<DIV>What did everyone think about that venue?</DIV>
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<DIV>DAVID A. MILLER, Lt Col, CAP</DIV>
<DIV>Deputy Director of Public Affairs, MOWG</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM, lockit3 <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:lockit3@att.net" target=_blank>lockit3@att.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Thank you Lt. Col. Copenhaver for bringing this subject up.<BR><BR>The fact of the matter is, that even if these rates are not "terribly out of<BR>line" for a conference this size, it is still unaffordable for many of our<BR>members, me included. If we pay for the meeting hall and any peripheral<BR>rooms needed for the breakout sessions, or whatever we are calling them this<BR>conference and the hotel knows it has "X" amount of rooms guaranteed,<BR>concessions should be able to be reached on the room rate for members. If<BR>the facility will not make such concessions because it is Las Vegas and they<BR>will get that rate from someone then let them get it from someone else. We<BR>do not have to conference in Las Vegas.<BR><BR>First of all, it has been my experience that if you have time to go to the<BR>activities that are available outside of the conference, you are not<BR>attending the conference. My answer that would be take a vacation. While<BR>other cities may not have the outside venues, they could handle the size of<BR>our event and perhaps for a lesser price. I have concerns about meeting<BR>somewhere like Vegas anyway. As concerned as we are about the image of Civil<BR>Air Patrol and the image that casts on the Air Force, is this really a good<BR>idea.<BR><BR>If we save on the price of the hall and classrooms, then maybe our fee could<BR>at least cover the banquet and everyone could attend. A Spaatz cadet from<BR>our Wing is National Cadet of the Year and most of our Wing members will not<BR>see him receive the award because we cannot afford the conference let alone<BR>an additional fee for a banquet that should be included.<BR><BR>I did not intend this to sound like a gripe session, but sometimes I think<BR>in an effort to look like an organization of high prestige, we forget that<BR>our members are volunteers, mostly of middle America. We need to get back to<BR>servicing the needs of the members who service the needs of our country.<BR><BR>With respect,<BR><BR><BR>Curtis "Wayne" Hooks 1st Lt.<BR>Civil Air Patrol<BR>FLWG Online Newsfeed Manager<BR>Group 1 Public Affairs Officer<BR>Group 1 Recruitment and Retention Officer<BR>Tallahassee Composite Squadron<BR>Ser FL-432<BR>Public Affairs Officer<BR>Recruitment and Retention Officer<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A>] On Behalf Of Wm and<BR>Kandyce Lewis<BR>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:31 PM<BR>To: 'CAP Public Affairs Officers'<BR>Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board<BR><BR>I have done conferences for our wing and I don't have prices like that. You<BR>can get hotels to not charge for the the rooms if you agree to so many rooms<BR>being rented by members, and guaranteeing so much in other costs. I know as<BR>I have done that in the past. You just keep telling them you need a less<BR>amount. I didn't check the cost of the dinner but I thought $70 last year<BR>was out of line for our members. And having gone many others must have felt<BR>so as well as there were lots of members eating at other places during the<BR>banquet as I saw them out and about. I realize we have more guest we may<BR>pay for national conferences but it can't be that much more. I suspect less<BR>and less members are going to national boards.<BR><BR>And yes as members get closer to retirement they are looking at those costs.<BR><BR>Kandyce Lewis, Lt Col.<BR>WA Wing Staff<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A>] On Behalf Of Doug Barth<BR>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:50 AM<BR>To: 'CAP Public Affairs Officers'<BR>Subject: Re: [PAO] National Board<BR><BR>I totally agree with Lt Col Copenhaver,<BR><BR>In particular, as I move toward retirement and have more time to commit to<BR>my volunteer activities, I also am very cost sensitive.<BR><BR>While I understand and encourage the value of face-to-face conferences, I<BR>think we should look more extensively into webinar/webex events, both to<BR>reduce cost to the membership and to increase the availability of these<BR>types of topics across CAP. Or perhaps video tape the presentations and<BR>post them to CAP website. I am not aware that we do that.<BR><BR><BR>Major Doug Barth, CAP<BR>Group II<BR>MDWG<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</A>] On Behalf Of Karen<BR>Copenhaver<BR>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:44 AM<BR>To: <A href="mailto:cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org" target=_blank>cap-pao@lists.sempervigilans.org</A><BR>Subject: [PAO] National Board<BR><BR>Dear Fellow PAOs,<BR><BR>As we continue our volunteer commitment to an outstanding organization, we<BR>gladly donate our resources to train and participate. Across the years, we<BR>have attended conferences for our wing, region and our national board, and<BR>the cost has slowly increased, mainly because of the economic posture of the<BR>time. However, after reviewing the current cost associated with our national<BR>board, personally I am voicing a concern of how many members can afford this<BR>astronomical cost. Registration - $205 per person plus room of more than<BR>$100+ per night (don't forget tax and tax); (plus the extra days lodging for<BR>a total of 5 nights if you stay for the entire event) then if you plan on<BR>attending our PAO Academy it is $45, and if you want to attend the FEMA<BR>course it is $20, then Incorporating the Medal of Honor Character<BR>Development Program into Character Development for $20 and Grant Writing for<BR>$10. We can easily add these costs to be exorbitant for many. I've<BR>attended many National Board Conferences, but never experienced such fees,<BR>and would like to know what the "registration" is suppose to cover, if not<BR>the work labs, and associated hand-outs.<BR><BR>I would like to see a more reasonable cost for our National Board<BR>Conferences in the future. We do not necessarily need a place like Las<BR>Vegas, Washington or Atlanta, or the like, as we do not have the numbers of<BR>attendees to support that type of location as we once did<BR>with totals of upward of 2,000+ attendees. We have some locations<BR>that could support the size of our event, with less expense to our members,<BR>such as Charlotte, NC, and communities of that size across our country.<BR>Our overall cost has escalated to a level whereby one must truly set aside<BR>additional funds up to more than $1,000 to attend, and that does not include<BR>airline tickets, which are escalating too. I don't know how many of you<BR>join me in these sentiments, but we need a more economical platform for our<BR>national board conferences.<BR><BR>One other comment, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-military speaker like<BR>Bill Cosby to entertain and inspire us to continue our service? As a<BR>volunteer organization, who gladly gives and gives so much to our<BR>communities and nation, I would hope that an individual like this would not<BR>charge, but to have airfare and other related costs (room and meals) to be<BR>covered to get him/her to be our speaker.<BR><BR>Realizing our organizational funds are somewhat limited and reduced greatly<BR>across the board, we could certainly reduce our cost by holding our national<BR>conference in a less costly location, and it would increase the numbers who<BR>can afford to attend. It indeed is a great experience that everyone should<BR>have the opportunity to attend. The labs, breakout sessions, or<BR>workshops... what ever they are called, are always phenomenal. The<BR>opportunity to network with your fellow members and national staff is<BR>something that you will always remember as you also establish a contact and<BR>many times lasting friendships. If you can.....<BR>please attend as it is an experience that you'll want again and again.<BR><BR>Thank you for your commitment and dedication to one of the best<BR>organizations of which you could ever be a part.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR>Karen L. 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