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Frankly, I have a hard time understanding why we are using terms
like "Director" at all in a paramilitary organizational chart,
especially at the Wing level. It seems to have been adopted for use
at random for various jobs that have vastly different scopes. I
could sort of understand if "Director" signified a position that
actually supervised some other staff officers, but that isn't always
the case. Seems like almost every wing staff officer in Arkansas is
a Director. <br>
Blake Sasse<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/25/2014 11:38 AM, Arthur Woodgate
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">CAPR
20-1 was last updated Jan 2013. Since the DPA/PAO issue at
the wing level has been a fact for a number of years, I
believe we can assume that NH</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Q
“prefers” PAO for wing, over the “obligatory” DPA for
region.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Arthur
~<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org">mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Lt Col Paul Cianciolo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CAP Public Affairs Officers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person at
Wing Level<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sure, but
CAPR 20-1 also "shows" that the PAO reports under the
chief of staff on the org chart section whereas CAPR 190-1
and CAPR 20-1 "states" that the PAO report directly under
the commander. Since within CAPR 20-1, there are two
conflicting references to public affairs, one would assume
that this reg only serves as a guide rather than setting
everything in stone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, eServices let's a wing assign
either a director or officer under PA, so that is another
indicator that it is open to creative license.<br>
<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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v/r<br>
--<br>
<b>PAUL S. CIANCIOLO, Lt Col, CAP<br>
Public Affairs Officer<br>
National Capital Wing</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cell: 301-751-2011<br>
Work: 202-385-9599 (@FAA)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Arthur
Woodgate <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:awoodgate@austin.rr.com" target="_blank">awoodgate@austin.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This
is governed by CAPR 20-1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Director
of PA is allowed only for region.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From
wing on down, it’s [level] PAO, thus Wing PAO, Group
PAO, Squadron PAO. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
is a clause in CAPR 20-1 that states the CC “can
expand the table of organization to make it more
efficient” or words to that effect. This is meant in
a “downward” sense, not “upward” that involves
taking on the title(s) of a higher HQ.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Arthur
~</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">__________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">ARTHUR
E. WOODGATE, Lt. Col., CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Director
of Public Affairs & Director of Organizational
Excellence</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Southwest
Region</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Civil
Air Patrol - "Citizens Serving Communities"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:512.432.0231"
target="_blank">512.432.0231</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:512.547.6997"
target="_blank">512.547.6997</a> <<< VoIP
(secondary)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:512.567.1935"
target="_blank">512.567.1935</a> (cell - not
always on)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:awoodgate@austin.rr.com"
target="_blank">awoodgate@austin.rr.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:LtColWoodgate@gmail.com"
target="_blank">LtColWoodgate@gmail.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org"
target="_blank">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org"
target="_blank">cap-pao-bounces@lists.sempervigilans.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Kipp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CAP-PAO<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PAO] Title of Public Affairs Person
at Wing Level</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'm
seeing increasing use of the title "Director
of Public Affairs" being used at the Wing
level. In my former wing I was Director of
Public Affairs. In my current wing the CC
doesn't like it so I am the PAO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Technically,
that title is used at Region and higher.
However, logically if other wing staff
officers are "Director of" then it follows
that for parity at the Wing level it should
also be Director. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
wold like to hear your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Bruce
Kipp, Major, CAP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Public
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